Americans Torture Inmates in the very prison where Saddam Hussein's regime tortured inmates.

[wilheim]

US military investigation has recommended disciplinary action against several of its officers for the alleged abuse of Iraqi prisoners by US troops.
Brigadier General Janice Karpinski is among seven officers being investigated following claims that soldiers under their command mistreated detainees.

The officers have already been suspended from duty.

A US TV channel showed pictures of US soldiers humiliating naked hooded prisoners at Baghdad's Abu Ghraib jail.


CBS TV says it has "dozens" of pictures showing a wide range of maltreatment. Taken by US troops, many of the pictures from Abu Ghraib, outside Baghdad, show American troops watching in apparent approval.

The US military says it is appalled by the behaviour of its soldiers, but insists this is an isolated case.

However, the fact that Americans may have humiliated Iraqis in the very prison where Saddam Hussein's regime tortured inmates will be badly received not only in Iraq, but across the region, says the BBC's Ian Pannell in Washington.

Shocking pictures

CBS said the army investigation had concluded that Gen Karpinski's "lack of leadership and clear standards" led to problems in Abu Ghraib and three other prisons for which she was responsible
The army has made no formal charges against her. She is the subject of the non-criminal investigation that could result in a written reprimand, AFP news agency reported.

A letter of reprimand could trigger further action and possibly lead to the officers being expelled from the army.

CBS said the pictures it obtained showed a wide range of abuses.

It said among them were images of prisoners with wires attached to their genitals, a dog attacking an inmate, prisoners being forced to simulate having sex with each other, and one detainee with an abusive word written on his body.

Last month, the army announced that 17 soldiers had been suspended over the allegations of abuse of prisoners. Six of them - military police - are facing court martial.

'Appalled'

Brig Gen Mark Kimmitt told CBS the army was "appalled" by the behaviour of its soldiers.

Gen Kimmitt, the deputy head of coalition forces in Iraq, said the suspected abusers "let their fellow soldiers down".

But, he said, the few suspects were "not representative of the 150,000 soldiers that are over here... Don't judge your army based on the actions of a few," he urged Americans.

 

[Oceans11]

The Brits got caught again too.

They seem to be using vigilante tactics on local criminals.

Not so sure about this one tho.


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UK troops in Iraqi torture probe


The paper claims British soldiers handed over the photos

The Ministry of Defence has launched an investigation into allegations that British soldiers have been pictured torturing an Iraqi prisoner.
The photographs, obtained by the Daily Mirror newspaper, show a suspected thief being beaten and urinated on.

Downing Street swiftly condemned the pictures, echoing concerns it earlier expressed over images of Iraqi prisoners being abused by US troops.

The pictures involving American troops provoked international outrage.

They included a hooded and naked prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his genitals.

US President George W Bush vowed that those responsible would be "taken care of".

If proven, not only is such appalling conduct clearly unlawful but also contravenes the British Army's high standards of conduct

Sir Mike Jackson
Chief of General Staff
"I shared a deep disgust that those prisoners were treated the way they were treated. I didn't like it one bit," he said.

The people who are alleged to have carried out the abuse "do not reflect the nature of men and women we sent overseas", Mr Bush added.

Tony Blair's official spokesman said this behaviour directly contravened the US-led coalition's policy.

Later on Friday Downing Street responded to the pictures printed in the Mirror.

A spokesman said: "We expect the highest standards of conduct from our forces in Iraq despite the difficulties they face."

Defence Minister Adam Ingram told the Mirror the behaviour was "clearly unacceptable".

If true, those responsible should be arrested by MoD Police and removed from Iraq immediately

Paul Keetch MP
Liberal Democrat defence spokesman
He added: "We have, of course, launched an immediate investigation."

BBC defence correspondent Paul Adams said the MoD was in a "tailspin" over the news, which threatened the British mission to win Iraqi "hearts and minds".

The Mirror says the pictures were handed over by British soldiers who claimed a rogue element in the British army was responsible for abusing prisoners and civilians.

Speaking on condition of anonymity, the soldiers from the Queen's Lancashire Regiment told the paper no charges were brought against the unnamed captive.

They allege during his 8-hour ordeal he was threatened with execution, his jaw broken and his teeth smashed.

'Losing war'

After being beaten and urinated on, he was driven away and dumped from the back of a moving vehicle, the soldiers claimed.

They added they did not know whether he survived.

The reason for making the photos public was, they said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such fierce resistance in Iraq.


Sir Michael said most UK soldiers were commendable
One told the paper: "We are not helping ourselves out there. We are never going to get them on our side. We are fighting a losing war."

In a press conference, Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of General Staff, said: "If proven, not only is such appalling conduct clearly unlawful but also contravenes the British Army's high standards of conduct.

"The allegations are already under investigation.

"Again, if proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform and they have besmirched the Army's good name and conduct."

But he said the Army should not be judged on the behaviour of a few soldiers who had let down the good work of tens of thousands of others.

Ahmed al-Sheik, editor-in-chief of Arab TV news channel, said the photographs would outrage Arabs around the world.

"These scenes are humiliating not only to the Iraqis, but to every Arab citizen around the world," he told BBC Two's Newsnight.

Liberal Democrat defence spokesman Paul Keetch called on Defence Secretary Geoff Hoon to come to the Commons to make a statement on the allegations.

And Donald Anderson, the Labour chairman of the House of Commons Foreign Affairs Select Committee, said the pictures could hit the Army's morale.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3675215.stm

 

[captain#5]

Just like Doc said, we are really making Iraqie beef jerkeys and doing experiments on these preety honorable people called Iraqies.What's the big deal?


If you were in the army and these mother fvckers were trying to kill you,after you catch these bastards,wouldn't you torture and punture these puppets called Iraqies?

I think it is a wonderful thing.I am glad this has been going on for some time.I feel really bad for those prisoners.Like hell,the next picture they can show us, is a Iraqie prisnors whole head being skinned down to his neck, then watch a soldier throw a bottle of rubbing alchohol on him and put a sock in his mouth so he can't hear the man sing.



But really is their something wrong with it? Not really.Is it not expected?



Bottom line people, we the United States are the bullies while you are the puppets and have to eat our sh#t! The good news for all the other ahab countries you are next.

Keep the dead count going,pile bones up and beat the enemy.Remember to go after the mamas and the kids.

Marshmellow roast next?

 

[Mr.Smith]

boo ****inz hoo. what do you think war is?

In the last " Great War" WWII, thousands of women were gang raped by soldiers, among the endless amounts of atrocities committed.

Hundreds or thousands of soldiers DIED each day. People are more civil now than ever but coverage of events is 100,000 times faster and with pictures so things seem more brutal than ever.

 

[blueedwards]

no excuse for that. i don't care what the iraqis did...we are supposed to be better than that.

all this will do is fan the flame of hatred that most arab countries have for us.

 

[EverFresh]

Shows that there really isn't much difference between the "liberators" and the so called "oppressors".

Any credibility that this invasion may have once had is now completely gone

 

[tomone]

There have been 86 rapes of American on AMERICAN in IRAQ, THE ARMY WANTS TO HIDE IT. WHEN YOU HAVE SOLDIERS, NC, Tin soldiers who are off the strret uneducated that is what happens. I saw great crimes in VN war does strange things to men. We need to put the marines in charge of everything, that is what a marine is that is who they are, that is what they live for.

 

[Oceans11]

Doubt cast on Iraq torture photos


The paper claims British soldiers handed over the photos
Sources close to the army have questioned the authenticity of photographs appearing to show British soldiers torturing an Iraqi prisoner.
An investigation has begun into claims British troops assaulted the prisoner before throwing him from a lorry.

The claims were made in the Daily Mirror which carried photos allegedly taken during the man's ordeal.

Tony Blair says that if the photos are authentic this is "completely and totally unacceptable".

However the BBC's defence correspondent Paul Adams says sources close to The Queen's Lancashire Regiment believe many aspects of the photographs are suspicious.

He says they believe the pictures may not have even been taken in Iraq.


They believe the rifle is an SA80 mk 1 - which was not issued to troops in Iraq.

They say soldiers in Iraq wore berets or hard hats - and not floppy hats as in the photos.

They also believe the wrong type of Bedford truck is shown in the background - a type never deployed in Iraq.
Mr Blair said if there had been any abuse it was "exceptional", and should not detract from the good work being done by UK armed forces in Iraq.

However he stressed if the photos were genuine it was totally unacceptable.

"We went to Iraq to get rid of that sort of thing, not to do it," he added.

Investigation

Military police are investigating the photos which appear to show a soldier using violence and urinating on a captive.

Pictures showing American troops humiliating Iraqi prisoners, with a hooded and naked prisoner standing on a box with wires attached to his genitals, also generated outrage earlier this week.

US President George W Bush vowed that those responsible would be "taken care of".

There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour

The Queen's Lancashire Regiment


Military shaken by torture probe
Arab media fury
Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram said there was no "culture of abuse" in the British Army despite the fact five separate inquiries into maltreatment are under way.

"If these allegations are true, they are appalling, they are despicable and there can be no justification for them at all," he said.

The inquiry by the Royal Military Police's Special Investigations Branch would "not leave any stone unturned", he added.

Unnamed captive

The Mirror says the pictures were handed over by British soldiers from The Queen's Lancashire Regiment who claimed a rogue element in the army was responsible for abusing prisoners and civilians.

The soldiers told the paper no charges were brought against the unnamed captive.

They allege that during his eight-hour ordeal he was threatened with execution, his jaw broken and his teeth smashed.


The images have already been seen in the Middle East
After being beaten and urinated on, he was driven away and dumped, the soldiers claimed, unaware if he was dead.

The reason for making the photos public was, they said, to show why the US-UK coalition was encountering such resistance in Iraq.

Army spokesman Roger Goodwin, on behalf of The Queen's Lancashire Regiment, said there was "clearly some form of link to the regiment".

"But the precise form of that link, including whether the soldiers involved in the alleged atrocities were members of the QLR, needs to be established.

He added: "There is no place in our regiment for individuals capable of such appalling and sickening behaviour.

"The sooner they are exposed and ejected from the regiment, the better."

The regimental secretary, retired Lt Col John Downham, said: "We are furious that these people, whoever they turn out to be, have already besmirched our hard-earned good name and let down the many hundreds of QLR soldiers whose outstandingly successful tour in Basra was recognised by no fewer than 21 honours and awards."

Sir Mike Jackson, Chief of General Staff, said: "If proven, the perpetrators are not fit to wear the Queen's uniform and they have besmirched the Army's good name and conduct."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/3677311.stm

 

[Banned4Life]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> If you were in the army and these mother fvckers were trying to kill you,after you catch these bastards,wouldn't you torture and punture these puppets called Iraqies?
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

And what if the Chinese decided to invade America, because they don't like our leader. Then they start rounding up Americans and torturing them in concentration camps. Would you be justified in killing as many of these invading bastards as you could? You bet your ass you would be.

 

[miked429]

WE DONT EVEN KNOW IF THEY WERE IRAQIS,THEY HAD BAGS ON THEIR HEAD AND WERE NAKED.FOR ALL WE KNOW IT COULD HAVE BEEN A BUST AT A GAY BATH HOUSE IN SAN FRANCISCO.WHO KNOWS FOR SURE.

 

[captain#5]

Bump



Iraqie barbeque for Memorial Day---American Style! USA USA USA

 

[captain#5]

Bump



Iraqie barbeque for Memorial Day---American Style! USA USA USA

 

[WINNINGHAND]

<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by captain #5:
Just like Doc said, we are really making Iraqie beef jerkeys and doing experiments on these preety honorable people called Iraqies.What's the big deal?


If you were in the army and these mother fvckers were trying to kill you,after you catch these bastards,wouldn't you torture and punture these puppets called Iraqies?

I think it is a wonderful thing.I am glad this has been going on for some time.I feel really bad for those prisoners.Like hell,the next picture they can show us, is a Iraqie prisnors whole head being skinned down to his neck, then watch a soldier throw a bottle of rubbing alchohol on him and put a sock in his mouth so he can't hear the man sing.



But really is their something wrong with it? Not really.Is it not expected?



Bottom line people, we the United States are the bullies while you are the puppets and have to eat our sh#t! The good news for all the other ahab countries you are next.

Keep the dead count going,pile bones up and beat the enemy.Remember to go after the mamas and the kids.

Marshmellow roast next?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
No form of torture is acceptable, IMO